In this episode, I speak to English Leather Master and his slave. Find out about their journey, from a long-distance relationship to unexpectedly living together at the start of the first wave of COVID lockdowns. We also talk about the need for both Master and slave to do their own growth and healing before they can be ready for a Master/slave relationship and how to move past shame and guilt to become who you are meant to be: a true dominant and a true slave.
We found we had so much to talk about that this interview is the podcast’s first-ever two-parter.
More about English Leather Master
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- www.EnglishLeatherMaster.com
- Instagram @englishleathermaster / @elmssub
- Twitter @elmcoaching
Not safe for work:
- Twitter: @englishleatherm / @elmssub
Podcast index
- 03:02: Find out about their relationship
- 06:26: How did they make their Master/slave relationship work long distance before they moved in with each other
- 09:04: Moving in together as Master/slave
- 11:56: When they realised how good their Master/salve connection was
- 17:22: How to manage the Master’s need to claim or own something when the situation is not ready for that, and how to give space for the slave to grow and be ready for the Master, including:
- Drama triangle
- how a slave can be looking for a persecutor or saviour in the victim position, and how a Master can move to the persecutor or slave position
- true dominance is helping someone when they are down
- Find your own way and find what you want, do not be defined by your fantasy
- 27:38: How Sir Matthew’s journey as a Master has developed
- how leadership not just a work thing but also crucial for a Dom or a Master
- 35:08: How can a Master decide to grow and improve rather than stay static and blame those around them
- 38:31: Boy Paul speaks about his growth and insights that have led him to his relationship with Sir Matthew
- 46:36: What helped make slave Paul comfortable to speak out
- no judgement
- difference between shame and guilt
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